i beg to that view, he did reporting on this and you talk to john moran and both men have passed away in the last couple years after the case was decided. tell us about lawrence and garner. >> guest: they were both people who grew up with a humble background. not much education. tyrone garner is one of the tents of 10 children in the lack that his family. he never had a permanent home, never owned a car, shifted from house to house. shawn lawrence did have a steady job as a medical technologist, but neither he nor tyrone were ever involved in any kind of civil rights movement for civil rights causes until the case came along. tyrone garner died in 2006 about a year after it interviewed him and john moran said last november in 2011 about six months after my second interview with him, in which he told me that whole story. >> host: unit to set the record straight about what actually happened in the department. he never got to tell his story at the time this case is coming on. i take it he also was proud of the case than what it had accomplished. >> guest: yes, both men are part of the ca